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Roger de Massy

fl 1331

Father Unknown
Mother Unknown
Wife Lucy Risley
Children Goditha, Richard


Practically nothing is known about Roger - if indeed that was his name! His wife (or rather his daughter Goditha's mother) was named as Lucy in a number of pleas over inheritence by his daughter (1)(2)(3), but as the lands in question were inherited via her mother, he in not mentioned.

I can track down no contemporary document which names Goditha's father or Lucy's husband. However he is named by a number of later sources.

It seems that his identity has been in question for some time, but that his descent from the Masseys of Sale is fairly well accepted on the basis of his arms. However it seems likely that it was not him, but an ancestor of his, that moved from Sale to Morley, as there were Masseys living in and around Morley for at least a century before his time. As to whether he was called Roger or William (or indeed anything else), the only clue is a lease dated 1331 which shows that there was a Roger de Massy, and wife Lucy, living in Morley who owned land in Derby (9) The fact that the wife is named implies that the land is their's via her, and its name ("Morleyhallyerd") suggests it could possibly be part of a holding associated with the manor of Morley.

Whatever his identity, he must have died prior to 1361 (but possibly much earlier), as at that date his son in law was granted a license for a chapel in Morley, implying that he was lord of the manor by that date (10).

Until and unless more evidence comes to light, nothing more can be said about him, except that if he was called Roger Massy, then he may also have had a son Richard (11), but if so then Richard must have died fairly young, and without an heir, as the family estate passed to his sister Goditha.


Brief details of his children:



Sources:

  1. "Collections for a History of Staffordshire", Vol 13, 1892. p184 (Extracts from the pleas rolls):
    DE BANCO. MICH, 7 Ric II
    Derb. The record of an assize was returned into Court which had been taken at Derby on the Monday after the Feast of St. James the Apostle, 7 Ric. II [July 1383], in which Philip de Okoiire (Okeover), Chivaler, claimed the manor of Caldelowe against Goditha, formerly wife of Ralph de Stathum, and others. Goditha answered as tenant, and stated that one Elizabeth, daughter and heir of John de la Launde, "was formerly seised of the tenements and had married one Richard, son of Richard Foljaumpe, and afterwards a Fine was levied in 3 E. III between Joan, formerly wife of John de la Launde, complainant, and the said Richard, son of Richard Foljaumpe, and Elizabeth, deforciants of the manor of Caldelowe and of other lands and tenements, by which Joan acknowledged the said tenements to be the right of Elizabeth, for which the said Richard and Elizabeth granted them to Joan for her life, with reversion to the said Richard and Elizabeth and to the heirs of Elizabeth. And she produced the Fine in Court, and she stated that the said Richard and Elizabeth continued in seisin of the tenements for a long time after the date of the Fine, and at length Richard died, and after his death Elizabeth continued in seisin of them, and died leaving no issue, and after her death the said Goditha and one Peter Peyntour entered as cousins and heirs of Elizabeth, viz., Goditha as daughter of Lucy, daughter of Lucy, daughter of Joan, sister of John, father of the said Elizabeth, and Peter as son of Joan, son of Matilda, another sister of the said John, father of Elizabeth, and she stated that Philip was kinsman of the said Elizabeth more remotely, viz., as son of Thomas, son of Roger, son of John, son of Hugh, father of Lucy, the mother of John, father of the said Elizabeth. And the said Philip, without admitting that such a Fine had been levied, stated that long before Elizabeth held anything in the manor, one Hugh de Okoure, his ancestor, and whose heir he was, viz., father of John, father of Roger, father of Thomas, father of the said Philip, was seised of the manor in demesne as of fee, and gave it to one William de la Launde, Knight, and to Lucy, his wife, and to the heirs male of their bodies, and from the said William and Lucy the manor descended to one William as son and heir, and from this William, who died leaving no male issue, the manor descended to one John as brother and heir, and from this John, who died leaving no male issue, the right reverted to the said Philip, as kinsman and heir of the said Hugh, and after the death of John, Elizabeth had intruded herself into the manor, and Philip being under age had then entered, and was seised of it until the said Goditha and the other defendants had disseised him.
    And Goditha stated she knew nothing of the gift of the manor by the said Hugh, but that the Fine had been levied as above stated, in the third year of King Edward III, and this Fine was a Fine upon surrender,
    "finis super redditionem," and was levied before the Statute by which the non-claim, of such a Fine was restrained, "per quod non clamewm cujuscunque talis finis restringitur." And at the date of the Fine, Roger, the ancestor of Philip, was of full age, and out pf prison, and within the four seas; and the said Roger had not put in his claim to the manor within a year of the levying of the Fine, and therefore Philip was precluded from the present assize. After some further pleadings a day was given to the parties at Westminster on the Wednesday after a month from Michaelmas,* on which day the suit was adjourned to the Morrow of All Souls, and from that date to the Morrow of St. Martin, and from that date to the Octaves of St. Hillary, in statu quo nuno. A postscript states that on that date Philip did not appear and the suit was dismissed. m. 393.
    * As it involved a question of law, the decision was left to the Judges in Bank
  2. "Collections for a History of Staffordshire", Vol 13, 1892. p188 (Extracts from the pleas rolls):
    DE BANCO. EASTER, 7 Ric II
    Derb. William de Skypwyth and William de Burgh, Justices of Assize in co Derby, tra=nsmitted the record and process of an assize of novel disseisin taken before them on the Monday the feast of St James the Apostle, 8 Ric II, in these words:-
    An assize, etc, if Goditha, formerly wife of Ralph de Stathum, and others named, had unjustly disseised Philip de Okore (Okeover), Chivali, of the manor of Caldelowe, and a messuage and an acre of land in Caldelowe and Snellesron.
    In this suit Goditha repeated her plea as in the former assize, claiming by virtue of a Fine levied on the Quindene of St Michael, 3 E III, between Joan, formerly wife of John de Launde, complainant, and Richard, son of Richard Foljambe, and Elizabeth, his wife, daughter and heir of John de la Launde, and claiming to be nearer of blood to the said Elizabeth than Philip, and she gave these pedigrees:-
                                      Lucy = William de la Launde
           ________________________________|_______________________________
          |                                |                               |
    John de la Launde                     Joan                          Matilda
          |                                |                               |
      Elizabeth = Richard Foljambe        Lucy                            Joan
                                           |                               |
                                          Lucy                       Peter Peyntour
                                           |
                                        Goditha
    
                       Hugh de Okeover
        _____________________|____________________
       |                                          |
     John                                       Lucy = Wiliam de la Launde
       |                                  ___________|____________
       |                                 |                        |
     Roger                            William                   John
       |                               ob sp                      |
    Thomas                                                    Elizabeth
       |
    Philip, the plaintiff
    
    Philip repeated his plea as in the former trial, but added that at the time the said Goditha stated that the Fine was levied, and for all the rest of his lifetime, Roger his ancestor was in Scotland, and not within the four seas of Enland, and that he died in Scotland. Goditha replied that at the time the Fine was levied Roger was within the four seas, becuase he wasat Mynsterton in co. Leicester, which she was prepared to prove. Philip repeated that on the date of the Fine and for a year and a day afterwards, the said Roger was in Scotland, and died there, which he was prepared to prove*. A day was therefore given to the parties in Banco on the Tuesday after three weeks from St Michael, on which day both Goditha and Philip appeared in person, and because the plea could not be determined in co. Derby a day was given to the parties on the Thursday at a month from St Michael, on which day Goditha and Philip appeared in person, and stated that they were prepared to maintain their pleas as given above, and prayed that a jury might be summoned from co Leicester; and the Sheriff was ordered to summon a jury for the Octaves of St Hillary. A postscript shows that no jury had been empanelled up to the morrow of the Ascension. m334.
    * Philip was certainly wrong in his date, for Roger had Letters of Protection whilst in Scotland in 9 E III. It may be assumed, however, that he died or was killed in Scotland (Scotch Roll of 9 Ed III)
  3. "Pedigrees from the plea rolls collected from the pleadings in the various courts of law AD 1200 to 1500", Wrottesley, p268, reads :
    De Banco. Easter, 11 Hen 4 [1410], m 337
    Derb:- Goditha, late wife of Ralph de Stathum, sued Henry Coton, Clerk, to give up to her a pyx containing deeds which she claimed as heir of Hugh de Morley.
          Hugh de Morley of Morley
                     |
                  Richard
                     |
                   Lucy
                     |
                   Lucy
                     |
                  Goditha
    
    The pyx had com into Henry Coton's hands after the death of one Katrine Verdon, 20 Rich 2.
  4. "The Visitation of the County of Warwick In the Year 1619", Harleian Soc, vol 12, p392 (sub Sacheverell) gives:
       Edmundus Morley miles =
        _____________________|______________
       |                                    |
    Edwardus Morley miles              Walterus Morley miles =
                                                             |
                                              Rob'tus Morley = Isabella filia Phillippi Deydridge
        __________________________________________________|_______________________
       |                                                  |                       |
    Ric'us Morley = Johanna fil et her ... Delaland    Alice uxor Verdon      Amphillis uxor Phillip Wasnes
                  |
                  |
                Lucy Da and hey of Rich Morley = Hugh Risley
                                               |
                                               |
                           Will'mus Massey = Lucy da and sole hey of Hugh Risley
                                           |
                                           |
                  Rob'tus Statham Esq = Goditha fil et haer Will'mi Massey
                                      |
                                      |
                                  Thomas Statham Esq =
                                                     |
    
  5. "Notes on the Churches of Derbyshire", Cox, Volume 4, page 324/5, states:
    "The early pedigree of the family who took their name from the manor - the De Morleys - is vague and confused. the fact that Richard de Morley, mentioned in the Chester chartulary already quoted, was the son of Henry de Morley, has not been hitherto known. He married Joan, daughter and heiress of Sir John de la Launde, and had issue an only daughter, Lucy, who became wife of Hugh Risley. Hugh and Lucy Risley had also an only daughter and heiress, Lucy, who was married to William (? Roger) Massey. The issue of this match was also an only daughter and heiress, Goditha, who brought Morley and other property to her husband, Ralph Stathum."
  6. "History, Gazetteer, and Directory of the County of Derby" Part II, Glover, page 188/90, states:
    "The manor was part of the King's lands after the Conquest, attached to the manor of Wirksworth. At an early period it was held by the Okeover family. In the reign of Edward I the descendant of Patrice de la Launde, whose name appears in the roll of Battle Abbey, had free warren granted in this manor. Joan, daughter of William, and one of the co-heirs of Sir John de la Launde, knt, brought this manor, by marriage, to Richard de Morley, whose daughter and heir married Hugh de Rieslep; her daughter and namesake, Lucia, married Roger de Masey, whose daughter and heiress general of de la Launde, Morley, &c, Goditha, married Ralph de Statham."
    It then gives the arms of the then lords of the manor, Chadwick. This has 14 quarters, the last 5 of which are:
    Statham, of Statham and Callow, Gules, a pale lozenge, Argent, (parchment roll, four mascquels in pale)
    Massey, of Sale, co Chester, and of Callow, Argent, a chevron, ent three lozenges, Sable
    Risley , of Risley and Callow, Argent, a fesse, bezant, ent 3 crescents, Gules
    Morley, of Morley and Callow, Argent, a lionrampant, Sable, ducally crowned, Or, with a crescent for difference, Or, on the shoulder
    De la Launde, of Callow, Gules, a fesse, Or, ent three bezants
  7. "A Derbyshire Armoury" Craven, 1991, page 108, states:
    Massey. Morley, Argent a fesse between three lozenges sable (quartered by Sachaverell, V 1569). Roger Massey of Sale, Cheshire, held Morley between the tenure of the Risleys and the Stathums C14.
  8. "Magna Britannia", Lysons, 1807, volume 5, sub "Families extinct before the Time of the Heralds' Visitations", states:
    Morley, of Morley. Richard de Morley, great grandson of Philip, Lord of Morley, and sixth in descent from Edmund, Lord of Morley, had a daughter and heir married to Hugh de Rislep, whose heiress married Mascy, of Sale, in Cheshire, whose heiress married Statham, temp. Edw. III.
  9. "Descriptive catalogue of Derbyshire charters", Jeayes, no 976 reads:
    Lease from Roger de Massy de Morleya and Lucy his wife to Pagan le Draper de Derby for six years of a toft, with belongings, lying in the Briggegate at Derby, called Morleyhallyerd; rent 5s silver yearly. Witn: Simon de Cestr, tunc ballivus de Derby, etc. Dat Derby, T Vig of Ann of BV Mary [24 Mar] 1331 (Add. 5239)
  10. See Ralph de Stathum's page.
  11. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls preserved in the Public Record Office, Edward 1II, Vol XII", 1905, page 266 contains an entry dated January 20 1348 which includes :
    "Exemplification, at the request of John Cokayn, William son of John de Lymester, Thomas, his brother, Adam de Beleby, Richard son of Roger le Massy, John, groom of John Cokatn, and William son of William le Spenser, of the tenor of a record and process before Nicholas de Longeford, Giles de Meignill, Richard de la Pol, John de Rocheford, Robert de Assheburn and Henry de la Pole, late justices assigned to enquire of the death of William Sautcheverell at Derby, as follows:-
      ...
    John Cokayn, William son of John de Lymester, Thomas his brother, Adam de Beleby, Richard son of Roger le Massy, John, groom of John Cokayn, and William son of William le Spenser, are brought before the justices by the sheriff and severally plead not guilty and put them selves on the country. Therefore Thomas de Bekeryng, sheriff of Derby, is charged to summon a jury to the vicinage of Derby at Assheburn, on Saturday, before 8 September, and in the meantime the said John Cokayn and others are committed to his custody.
    At which day, before the said Giles de Meygnil, Richard de la Pole and Robert de Assheburn, justices, the jury find them not guilty and they are acquitted. ..."
  12. "Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire", Throsby, 1797, Vol 1, pages 97 & 98, sub Barton, gives a pedigree of the Sachaverell family, which, besides the main Sachaverell line, also shows the descent of Joan Stathum, wife of John Sachaverell, who brought the manor of Morley to the family, from a claimed common ancestor, Edmund lord of Morley. The pedigree is simply asserted with no accompanying notes, and is not even referred to in the text. However, this descent of Joan is, as far as my own research has lead me to conclude, accurate - incredibly so in fact, considering that the few other sparce anippets on the descent of the manor of Morley, that appear elsewhere, invariably cover only a small number of generations in comparison to this one, yet all contain multiple errors.
    Having said that, there are a few claims made in this pedigree that I cannot confirm (and I can't even be certain what is being claimed about the children of Edmund, the progenitor!), but at the same time have no evidence to cast any doubt on them. Given the correctness of the complete descent, I consider them due of worthy consideration.
    Ricardus de Morley.-Joana fil. Willielmi. & una cohaer.
                       |Johannis de la Launde, milit
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    Lucia-Hugo de Russelep-Willielmus de Moston. marit. secundus.
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    Lucia-Rogerus de Masci de Sale Com.Cestr.
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    Goditha ob 3.H.5.-Radulfus de Stathum ob 3.R.2
    



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